This is really frustrating me
This is probably a common issue amongst people who are learning Russian or any other language for that matter.
This surrounds Verbs and there conjugation in various tenses.
I understand the basics of looking for the stem of the words but there seem to be so many rules as to if the letter is x ,y etc you use this and not that.
What I want to know if there is perhaps a simpler way than trying to remember all the various scenarios.On reading the New Penguine course I just end up getting confused with rules for this and that as to what ending the stem of the word should have.Not only that but also in determining what gender if any the relevant words are.
Has anyone come across any excercises or even found a more simpler way of rembering how verbs change there endings in the various tenses.
I am sorry if this sounds confusing and hope you can understand my ramblings.If indeed anyone can help be it with links or even there own methods I would like to hear from them.
:D
Re: This is really frustrating me
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Originally Posted by ang12el
This is probably a common issue amongst people who are learning Russian or any other language for that matter.
This surrounds Verbs and there conjugation in various tenses.
I understand the basics of looking for the stem of the words but there seem to be so many rules as to if the letter is x ,y etc you use this and not that.
What I want to know if there is perhaps a simpler way than trying to remember all the various scenarios.On reading the New Penguine course I just end up getting confused with rules for this and that as to what ending the stem of the word should have.Not only that but also in determining what gender if any the relevant words are.
Has anyone come across any excercises or even found a more simpler way of rembering how verbs change there endings in the various tenses.
I am sorry if this sounds confusing and hope you can understand my ramblings.If indeed anyone can help be it with links or even there own methods I would like to hear from them.
:D
it's similar to what people experience when learning such languages as German or Spanish (perhaps to a slightly lesser degree). Imho links and more books on the subject are not much use because most of them will just throw more conjugation tables at you. I might be wrong but imho at the beginning stages one has to put more emphasis on reading/listening to examples. I remember when I first saw the spanish verb conjugation tables I simply ignored them, because I couldn't remember all the endings for the present tense for more than a minute, you know, once the page was turned over it I'd be like, "tu etnra, or know tu entras and nosotros do what entran or entramos or something else?" and it's the same story in German, ich sschrieve do schreibest wir schreiben etc, but what I found was that these things have a tendency to get memorized sort of on their own the more you read and do excercises and not just grammar excercises but text based excercises as well, lik asking and answering questions on texts, that sort of stuff. See when you have text then what you see/hear in it makes you mentally connect the form and the meaning and it eventually sinks in that Куда прешь? and куда прете? actually mean two different things, once these distinctions in meaning are properly appreciated the different forms, suffixes etc begin to fall into place. Think about lots of people speak Russian and have no more problems with it than the speakers of any other language out there would have with their language. Imho it's all down to what the call the plasticity of the brain, or in laymen's terms we, humans, have a tendency to get used to things. The Germans in concentration camps woold make people wear optical sights on their eyes ithrough which everything looked upside down and guess what, after a while the brain would adapt and the subjects would then get disoriented when their sights were removed. So the bottom line is that it just takes time before you get used to it, the question remains what do you do to get used to it, the obvious answer is you do that by getting as much exposure to it as you can get, read it, hear it that kind of stuff and don't get too frustrated when try to say/write something and get it all wrong, these things happen, remember the natural order is that you first should learn to parse it reliably, then production will come more naturally.
the above is all just mho.
Re: This is really frustrating me
Quote:
Originally Posted by ang12el
This surrounds Verbs and there conjugation in various tenses.
I understand the basics of looking for the stem of the words but there seem to be so many rules as to if the letter is x ,y etc you use this and not that.
I offer you the radical method. Just speak in Russian without any verbs. It really works.
Look:
Dialog 1 Would you like to drink some beer in the evening? (Future Tense)
- Привет!
- Привет!
- Как у тебя дела?
- Да ничего, нормально. А ты как?
- Тоже ничего. Ты вечером свободен?
- Да, а что?
- Как насчёт холодного пива?
- Где и во сколько?
- В 6, у меня.
- У тебя? Хорошо.
Dialog 2. In the next morning (Past Tense)
- Привет! Как оно вчера?
- Ваще класно. Сейчас бы ещё пива...
- И девок. Что, вчерашнего мало?
- Да голова, блин... А мне ещё на работу...
There are no verbs there and it sounds natural.
